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Post by farrierswife on Jun 2, 2007 20:50:44 GMT
Have the swpa lowered their age limit on stallions like the dartmoor, shetland societies and NPS?
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Post by farrierswife on Jun 2, 2007 20:56:50 GMT
just read the welsh scheduale and see it has not been lowered,shame as it rules out his year for us with swpa
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Post by karen on Jun 2, 2007 21:01:41 GMT
12 for sml breed and 14 for large
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Post by medwinatswpa on Jun 3, 2007 8:09:55 GMT
When they ALL change we might consider it - it would be far too difficult to manage with just a couple of societies having different ages to the rest. We were not aware that any societies had dropped it - but then we are not doing NPS this year.
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Post by ponystudwoman on Jun 3, 2007 9:13:52 GMT
I hope SWPA resists all temptations to lower age limits of equines in classes. There are lots of people wanting enjoyment from showing much loved equines. These ponies and horses are part of the family and enjoy their days out as well! The top professionals are always pushing this idea. After all they make money from producing youngsters for the show ring.
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Post by farrierswife on Jun 3, 2007 12:53:39 GMT
When they ALL change we might consider it - it would be far too difficult to manage with just a couple of societies having different ages to the rest. We were not aware that any societies had dropped it - but then we are not doing NPS this year. I know what you mean we nead to read the small print on each show to know if they accept us or not. Not sure weather the exmoor society has changed, welshies are still 12. I wish they would all do a license to ride like in arab racing you have to do a mock race to see if you can cope, you could have a assesment day of jockey and stallion, as not all 11's would cope with stallions and on the same line not all adults can cope, depends on individual stallions and riders. Thats my rant over!!!!only 6 months and we can ride in all classes so not long now
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Post by medwinatswpa on Jun 3, 2007 12:55:57 GMT
I think we are talking about the ridden age limit on riders here. Two breed and one showing societies have dropped the age of the riders down to 11 from 12. This was a rule begun by PUK in the year Stephs qualified for Olympia [1997] - on a stallion - but she was only aged 11. This meant we could not compete at any shows prior to Olympia other than the breed show where we qualified. We said then that there would not be any ridden small breeds competing like there used to be and that has proved to be a fact [except Welsh B's]. At the moment it seems they all have differences in the rule - some say 11 before 1 Jan and others 11 before day of show - How could you ever possibly police that? Who's rules superceed who's? Maybe members of the various breed societies should lobby their societies and get this sorted out. Personally I would welcome seeing ponies like Shilstone Rocks Alantic Gale and Samber Sarson back out there showing what well mannered and good tempered stallions they were and therefore highly suitable sires for childrens ponies. And like I said 10 years ago "What mother puts their child on a pony that won't look after it" - I never saw a bad small stallion out in those days.
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Post by ponystudwoman on Jun 3, 2007 16:34:52 GMT
We were talking at cross purposes. I sat in on a symposium recently regarding problems associated with judging and measuring out. Some of the professionals there were in favour of encouraging 'younger' equines. Reading between the lines it seemed to mean, making a good profit before an animal matures and goes over height. Some seemed incredulous that you would even consider showing a 12 year old!
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Post by equinim on Jun 5, 2007 18:45:20 GMT
sounds like a bit of misinterpretation.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! some of the posts are about rider age and some are about horse age
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Post by medwinatswpa on Jun 16, 2007 16:55:57 GMT
Yes it started as a query on ridden stallions being ridden by young people - somehow moved to youngstock and showing inhand.
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Post by cayberry on Jun 19, 2007 19:05:37 GMT
I personally would not use a stallion that couldn't be handled/ridden by children, as at the end of the day -we are breeding childrens ponies. I have bred Dartmoors for almost 30 yrs and have always bred ponies with that in mind. Shilstone Rocks Atlantic Gale is 1/2 owned by me and is at stud here for 2007 and 2008, then he will return to his other owner/ breeder. We also stand other Dartmoor stallions, that are handled and ridden by children at home.
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Post by medwinatswpa on Jun 19, 2007 21:37:11 GMT
Yes, but you no longer have that public avenue of a show ring to show their suitability as sires of good temprement as well as good conformation. I would support an age bracket of 10 and then I think we would see the smaller native stallions back out there. Atlantic Gale and Samber Sarson were out on the circuit together in their "younger glory days" [13 years + ago] - both excellent children's ponies showing the type of temprement that all parents would want in a child's pony. When my daughter was just 7 she used to hop on Sarson at 6am - hat and swimming costume, bareback off to the beach at the top of our lane and into the sea. Hubby and I were still in bed and even though I told her off frequently from the safety aspect of such adventures, I knew in my heart she would come to no harm. I know there are tales of Atlanic Gale doing similar things and I remember seeing a picture of him in the kitchen with the new young owners when he first went to Scotland - I think it was Scotland? Do you have any of those pictures?
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Post by cayberry on Jun 20, 2007 16:55:52 GMT
No I don't have any pics, I believe it was the geust family, when they owned him, We have only had him 3 years. We used to show Shilstone Rocks D Day and Shilstone Rocks Dark Day, with a 7yo doing whp with them and winning, also doing child handler. But no I agree, we couldn't do it nowadays. It's not always the stallion that causes trouble it is often others in the ring, running into them or up their bum as can be seen today, this happens be it mare or gelding.
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Post by medwinatswpa on Jun 21, 2007 7:10:09 GMT
Yes I agree - getting out of a ring - especially at PUK used to be a nightmare as everyone congregates round the entrance ways! Would like to see a pic of Atlanic Gale as he is now - we have Sarson with us again this year but he is now gelded, and still with the Samber stud in Tedburn St Mary. He watches his sons, daughters grandchildren etc while he spends his days roaming the hills with his former wives.
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Post by cayberry on Jun 21, 2007 16:30:48 GMT
There should be some pics on my website, but will take some more when I get a minute! impossible with all the work I have on, but will try. We were at a local show with one of our stallions last weekend and the number of kids galloping about and into him was unbelievable, good job he's a good boy.
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