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Post by helle on Aug 10, 2008 18:18:38 GMT
Went to a local show today and did a class simply described as 'M&M ridden'. Only 2 riders out of about 13 wore double bridles. My daughter was told that she should have been in one. She is 9 years old, the pony a 5 year old section C. What do you think?
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Post by mrogers on Aug 10, 2008 19:55:53 GMT
i personally wouldn't. In open classes, etiquette says that horses should be in double reins but you could always use a pelham. However, i think most judges wouldn't like to see a 9 yo in double reins.
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Post by karcher on Aug 10, 2008 23:05:56 GMT
WE used split reins on our sp for years, I think you'll have to be carefull with a pelham in the hands of a 9yr old. We still use a snaffle at most shows, we only put the pelham in for an open sp class. Don't rush the child or the pony. They only have to use a pelham when they are classed as an "open" pony
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Post by helle on Aug 11, 2008 7:32:13 GMT
My thoughts precisely! I was actually adviced by the producer we bought the pony from that 99% of judges would prefere to see a younger child in a snaffle, even in a open class. I have no intentions of changing her bit for the forseeable future. Just thought it would be interesting to see what everyone else thought.
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Post by medwinatswpa on Aug 11, 2008 18:12:25 GMT
Wearing my judges hat - I do automatically think "novice" when I see a snaffle, and "open" when I see a double or pelham. However, a pony will move up the line under me if it goes in the right outline and on the right leg in a well balanced way whilst wearing a snaffle. To me it says good schooling, soft mouth, manners and a pleasant ride. Not all judges think that way I hasten to add. Some just think novices are not yet ready to win!
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Post by karcher on Aug 12, 2008 12:06:18 GMT
Yep, I also agree with that, it's a shame really but it's why we use the pelham in open classes. Luckily our pony adjusts to both, Thankfully Georgia has light hands with Dimps
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Post by Mya And Spangles on Aug 24, 2008 22:55:22 GMT
I think that a double or pehlam is smarter and i usually ride my horse in this but for a sp especially with a small child on i like them in a snaffle it shows how well mannered the pony is and how SAFE it is with a smally jockey on top. But for the open classes yes a pelham may be better but you can always do lots of practice at home and only use it when shes ready and with it only being a young horse to you dont want to fill its mouth with too much. I train my 5 year old in a double when schooling but no too often as its alot of metal for him to cope with at that age. As long as your pony is going well i wouldnt worry too much that judge is just one person thats one opinion if she does well in that class with other judges i wouldnt worry too much.
Jess xx
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Post by arty101 on Aug 30, 2008 12:10:42 GMT
yes i agree with jess i only have my ponies in doubles cause its looks so much smarter but if i wanted to i could go in a snaffle (but i don't)
I really would'nt worry especially as it is a young horse & rider!
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Post by bartybee on Sept 8, 2008 11:27:25 GMT
Oh dear - now i'm flapping about my classes - ridden cob, novice working and open working cob. I was just going to use a snaffle as my boy goes fine in one - but is the consensus that i should have pelham/double for the ridden and open class?
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Post by bartybee on Sept 8, 2008 11:42:22 GMT
Sorry - forgot to check. My cob qualified for ridden and working classes fully feathered but with plaited mane and tail. Do the rules say that cobs can be hogged/plaited or unplaited - or is there a preference for them to be hogged/trimmed?
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Post by mrogers on Sept 8, 2008 13:54:40 GMT
generally cobs need to hogged,trimmed and tail pulled. You will very very rarely see a cob with a mane at anything bigger than rc and pc shows
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Post by bartybee on Sept 8, 2008 14:30:20 GMT
Is that what the rules say - because we qualified in the feathered state? Are we not then eligible for the champs in the same state? Now i'm worried.
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Post by masters on Sept 8, 2008 19:09:05 GMT
I thought that Cob classes were for the 'hogged' and trimmed ponies/horses as the traditionals have their own classes. I personally would judge a 'cob' class as being trimmed/hogged/pulled unless stated otherwise. Going back to 'Helle' about doubles or snaffles, as it's a child riding, a snaffle should not be overlooked but a pelham/double does look the picture in a open class. We found with our Section C that a double is to much 'iron' in the mouth, they have quite a small mouth really.
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Post by bartybee on Sept 9, 2008 7:55:33 GMT
The problem is the traditional classes are for coloured cobs - which mine is not. Anyway we're gonna plait mane and tail and leave the feathers on - it will still be a great experience even if we don't get placed.
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Post by mrogers on Sept 9, 2008 17:31:52 GMT
just checked, its not in the rules but cobs are shown hogged etc. traditionals are shown fully feathered. So strictly speaking he needs to be hogged etc unless he is traditional (which hes not) or a welsh cob
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