sarah
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Post by sarah on Apr 20, 2008 7:14:18 GMT
Going back to the topic of judges I agree that it is a small world and judges are going to meet people they 'know' but surely it's up to the competitor not to go under that judge as they know before hand who is judging, the judge surely does'nt know all who have entered!!! Also judge's should not compete at the show, they should choose which 'hat' they have on, judge or competitor, ( Oh perfect world!!!) I strongly agree with this quote on judges,as under the BHS rules A judge shall not be an exhibitor,trainer,or rider in the ring in any class(whether ridden or inhand)at any show on the same day at which he or she is officiating as a judge etc.This is something that could be improved on and would look more professional if was carried out as swpa shows and championship shows.
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Post by medwinatswpa on Apr 20, 2008 8:29:32 GMT
This is something we are working on at the moment and I think you will see some amalgamation of classes at future shows to try and up class sizes and speed up time. Trouble is when you amalgamate classes you will always get people saying "oh I wont put my yearling up against three yrs olds" and "I wont put youngstock in with adults", or "There is no point putting a 122 cms up against a 153cms". That will mean a drop in numbers attending and a loss of revenue towards the Championships.
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Post by mrogers on Apr 20, 2008 10:57:43 GMT
Everyone is coming up with good ideas. Problem is, unless you have ever run a show, (even a small one on pony club level), no one knows the problems encountered. At our in-hand show last year, we ran seperate classes for yearling, two, three year old and 4 years old and over. We had zero or very few entries in some classes and exhibitors saying they would not show their filly/gelding against a colt.
This year we ran all the yearlings together, 2 & 3 year old filly/gelding and 2 & 3 year old colts seperate and had a good special rosette for highest placed 2 year old and 3 year old in each section. Sorted - huh? No. Still didn't get enough entries in some classes, so next year its back to the original plan. And the Sec B's and C's will only have two classes, youngstock and 4 years old and over.
Its a case of whatever you do, you not going to please all the people all the time. Sometimes, whatever you do, you just cant win. - Mo Rogers
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Post by medwinatswpa on Apr 20, 2008 12:36:11 GMT
Good idea - lets hope the stewards remember to change them though!
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droppy
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Post by droppy on Apr 20, 2008 19:07:44 GMT
No matter what you do as a committee you will never please everyone, do what suits the committee and stewards as as long as they know the running of the rings, it will run OK in the end, speakers might help a little outside so we can hear a bit better to what is going on and notify if delays are occuring.. BUT WELL DONE swpa for all your positive efforts.
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Post by norahsnek on Apr 21, 2008 20:26:24 GMT
I agree about judges. At the end of the day your choice of judge makes your show. Happy competitors makes for a good day. If a judge is not related to the organiser, not showing an animal that day, and most of all not related to a competitor they are judging (including Godchildren). Then how may people can really complain.
Howabout using the probation judges! This way it gives them the opportunity to practise and will give competitors a NEW judge on the circuit. Just a thought.
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Post by littlehorse on Apr 22, 2008 15:47:49 GMT
I agree about judges. At the end of the day your choice of judge makes your show. Happy competitors makes for a good day. If a judge is not related to the organiser, not showing an animal that day, and most of all not related to a competitor they are judging (including Godchildren). Then how may people can really complain. Howabout using the probation judges! This way it gives them the opportunity to practise and will give competitors a NEW judge on the circuit. Just a thought. Oh how right is this! another issue that is growing is the number of people that are stewarding and also competing on the same day - as one of the steward's most important function is to be ears and eyes for the Judge then they also should not be competing at the show they are stewarding for.
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Post by cobbledegook on Apr 22, 2008 15:58:26 GMT
Im sorry but i disagree with you. Without volunteers and helpers SWPA would not be able to run any shows, regardless of if for their members or otherwise. Having told Tiggy of my intention to compete at the festival and which classes, i am assured that she would have no intention of putting me to steward in the same ring with the judge i would be competing under. I cannot comment on other shows though but we are discussing SWPA here.
I thoroughly enjoyed my stewarding stint a few weeks back and although i compete at a high level myself it was interesting to be on the other side of the fence and listen to the comments made by a panel judge.
Maybe if we all made the effort a bit more occasionaly then we would understand why judges make the decisons that they do!
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Post by kitty on Apr 22, 2008 18:46:10 GMT
Im sorry but i disagree with you. Without volunteers and helpers SWPA would not be able to run any shows, regardless of if for their members or otherwise. Having told Tiggy of my intention to compete at the festival and which classes, i am assured that she would have no intention of putting me to steward in the same ring with the judge i would be competing under. I cannot comment on other shows though but we are discussing SWPA here. I thoroughly enjoyed my stewarding stint a few weeks back and although i compete at a high level myself it was interesting to be on the other side of the fence and listen to the comments made by a panel judge. Maybe if we all made the effort a bit more occasionaly then we would understand why judges make the decisons that they do! Well said and I couldn't agree more. I don't steward myself but my husband and son do and find it very rewarding and it keeps them out of our hair
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Post by karen on Apr 22, 2008 18:51:54 GMT
here here kitty
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Post by medwinatswpa on Apr 22, 2008 19:47:37 GMT
and without their help we would be lost ........................................ [as with all the stewards that volunteer - they are few and far between!]
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sarah
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Post by sarah on Apr 22, 2008 20:40:00 GMT
To me it does'nt seem any one wants to improve swpa shows.
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Post by titch on Apr 22, 2008 21:00:18 GMT
To me it does'nt seem any one wants to improve swpa shows. Why? ??
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Post by medwinatswpa on Apr 22, 2008 21:20:29 GMT
I agree about judges. At the end of the day your choice of judge makes your show. Happy competitors makes for a good day. If a judge is not related to the organiser, not showing an animal that day, and most of all not related to a competitor they are judging (including Godchildren). Then how may people can really complain. Howabout using the probation judges! This way it gives them the opportunity to practise and will give competitors a NEW judge on the circuit. Just a thought. The rules on who you can show under are very specific and they are mainly financially based. SWPA is in line with the national societies and basically if you have profited from a competitor in the past two years then you may not show under that person for two years. After that you can. You may not judge a pony you have previously bred or owned, and personally I do not agree with someone judging one round of a competition that they are also competing in has happened in the past with some of the nationals such as Olympia and HOYS. This has now been addressed by NPS. As for judging at a show you are also competing at .......... we have been competing at shows where my daughter, who is a PUK panel judge, has had to step in at the last minute and judge because the show has been let down at the very last minute and rather than cancel the classes she has offered to judge them. As you said "Happy competitors makes for a good day." and I am sure many competitors would not be happy if they had travelled many miles in an effort to qualify for a competition only to be told the class was cancelled! We find at least one judge at every show cancels in the last 24 hours due to illness or some other reason, often phoning the night before when it is impossible to get a replacement. So you use who you can get, which is often a fellow competitor already at the show! ;D Probationary judges are welcomed at SWPA shows. Some competitors will have noticed probationers at the last few shows and they will be judging unaffiliated classes during the summer on their own. Of course affiliated classes have to have panel judges as specified by the various associations we affiliate to, and we offer the opportunity for new judges to undertake our own assessment scheme and gain the confidence and experience they need to judge independently. So why not get in touch and give judging a trial?
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Post by medwinatswpa on Apr 22, 2008 21:25:12 GMT
No matter what you do as a committee you will never please everyone, do what suits the committee and stewards as as long as they know the running of the rings, it will run OK in the end, speakers might help a little outside so we can hear a bit better to what is going on and notify if delays are occuring.. BUT WELL DONE swpa for all your positive efforts. Interesting one this. As many may know our resident announcer has been unwell over the past year and not attended all of the shows. At the shows where there was NO announcer everyone got into the rings on time and no one complained they had missed their classes, as soon as Valerie returned .............. well I will say no more ;D ;D ;D ;D
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